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Baird Brightman's avatar

A great interviewer* + a generous guest = magic. Thank you Kyle and Jeff for this enlightening conversation! 👏

*The Shepard Interview Technique: Be enthusiastic. Ask a question. Listen to/be interested in the answer. Respond. Repeat.

Doesn't sound hard, right? But almost NOBODY does it. Takes the right interviewer with the right qualities.

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Kyle Shepard's avatar

Man, thank you both. I just feel like a fan who is lucky enough to talk to people I admire in some way. Appreciate you guys

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Baird Brightman's avatar

"A fan of people I admire". Well said, Kyle! That is exactly what lights me up in the work I have done. I just love promoting talented people in whatever way I can! 🌱

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Kyle Shepard's avatar

Hell yeah

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Jeff Boss's avatar

I thought the same thing, Kyle is an awesome interviewer!

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Baird Brightman's avatar

Thanks for sharing your path to a therapy career, Jeff. I kept thinking about the archetype of the "wounded healer" which is how most people (including me) come to that role. I found Alice Miller's book "The drama of the gifted child" really eye-opening about all that. Cheers!

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Joshua Ross's avatar

Appreciate this convo. Also, ten minute plank. I am going to try. That’s mental toughness!

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Kyle Shepard's avatar

❤️👊🏻

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Alexander Katrompas, PhD's avatar

Just finished watching. Fascinating. Not because I identify with anything said, but because I don't identify with anything said; however, we all still arrive at similar personal conclusions. From what I heard, I don't think I could be any further away from Jeff Boss in background. Other than the age difference, I think he would be my literal perfect opposite number. And yet it seems like all three of us arrive at many of the same conclusions. That's the part I found fascinating. Completely different starting points, completely different perspectives, and not just different, but literally in opposition. Then arriving at similar, and sometimes identical, personal choices. There's probably something to that.

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Jeff Boss's avatar

That's so interesting. Just demonstrates even more how universal truths are universal.

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Alexander Katrompas, PhD's avatar

True. I agree with that sentiment. I like to say humans are actually perfectly logical beings; they only seem illogical because their premises are incorrect, or some premises are missing (or at least they're different). Once you align premises with the truth, conclusions begin to align quickly.

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Kyle Shepard's avatar

❤️👊🏻

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Kyle Shepard's avatar

❤️👊🏻. Looking forward to talking to you more about that. Many ways to get on the path and as you and Jeff both beautifully write about, many ways to be a warrior

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Michael Woudenberg's avatar

"Kermit the frog with a lisp" 🤣 Now it's stuck in my brain.

Sorry, that's not *all* I came away with. I will say, and I may have missed it, but therapy is great as long as it's contextualizing, analyzing, and managing emotions. Too much pop-therapy today has you wallow in those feelings which is causing a huge amount of issues as Abigail Shrier discusses in 'Bad Therapy.' https://amzn.to/3IiOu1A

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Jeff Boss's avatar

It depends on the client. Maybe contextualizing etc.. worked for YOU, but I can think of many clients who benefit from sitting with their emotions because they learn they can. There are also a ton of shitty therapists out there who don’t know how to leverage the learning opportunity of sitting with emotions.

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Kyle Shepard's avatar

😂😂😂👊🏻. Glad you got at least something out of it

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